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We make our world significant by the courage of our questions and by the depth of our answers. Can we remember pain?
If no, then why? I read recently that people can't remember the sensation of pain. Is this true? I tried to think of what it felt like, but Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? could remember nothing more than that it was unpleasant.
How does our brain handle pain? I know this isn't asked very clearly, but I don't really know what I'm talking about here, Which is why I'm asking the question. Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? anecdotes aside. I think the source you read was referring to the "re-experiencing" of a memory. Obviously, it is possible to form a declarative memory like, "I broke my leg when I was ten years old, and the pain was very intense.
It is possible for humans to remember certain images, and "replay" them in their minds. The same is true for sounds especially music. But it Fortunella E Professore - Nino Rota - Fortunella (Colonna Sonara Originale Tratta Dal Film ) less true for the somatosenses, including pain.
But, that said, your body can still "remember" pain implicitly. An implicit memory is a memory that is sub-conscious. For example, if you are stung by a bee, your brain will implicitly link the sight of the bee to the feeling of pain which you want to avoid.
So seeing a bee will trigger a withdrawal response, and corresponding emotional distress. I've noticed that some senses are better at re-experiencing than others - and I think it might vary from person to person. I can re-experience sights and sounds, but not smells and tastes. The memory system in a human cannot explicitly remember episodic memories very well at all.
You will remember you went on a vacation, you may remember specific events, but most everything else will be purely imaginary, your brain creating a narrative based upon a few fragments. Also pain is a bottom-up process for the most part, with the primary stimulus coming through the spinal cord. Top down is mostly for regulation of pain once stimulus onset has occurred. Thus you can't really induce pain without actually inducing the stimuli that provoked that pain.
But Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? you that bottom up stimulus is presented, there is input from the CNS in regards to regulation. This is exactly right. Importantly, there are Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? nerves that link higher-order processing areas to the visual cortex.
That means that imagining something can activate the "basic" visual brain area. I know of no such re-entrant projections for pain. I think I disagree that it's difficult to re-experience the sensation of pain using only one's imagination.
Pain isn't as easy to recall or as Proustian as something like the sense Flesh Candy - Machetazo / Abscess - Vol.R / Flesh Candy - Open Wound smell, but something like the Schmidt Sting Pain Index wouldn't work if human beings had great difficulty in this area. Daniel Kahnenman talks about this Tell My Sister - Various - The Saustex Variations his Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember?
book, that there's a remembering self and an experiencing self in terms of pain experiences. TED Talk. Disclaimer: I'm no psychologist. I saw the TED talk though, and this is my best attempt at paraphrasing a relevant part of it. I remember watching this TED talk a while ago and it presented the interesting results of a study:. Colonoscopy patients divided into 2 groups. For group 1, the control group, they performed the colonoscopy as usual.
For group 2, they left the probe in for a short, measured period of time after the standard procedure was done leaving the probe in causes less pain than actively probing and then removed it. They asked the patients to recall their procedures and found that group 2 consistently described theirs as less painful than group 1 did. The researchers attributed this to the phenomenon that our memories of an event are strongly reflective of the end of the event, rather than an average of the whole thing.
So, the group that had a less painful end, though they experienced more pain over time, described their procedure as less painful than the group that ended on a painful note. He concluded that the pain level one recalls from an experience is roughly the average of the worst pain level during the experience and the pain level at the end of the experience. One of the talks, and I apologize because I can't remember which one, discusses how we encode pain.
His conclusion was that we remember intensity but not duration. All Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? his talks were excellent - perhaps someone else remembers which is the one specifically about pain removing bandages in a hospital.
This is the video in which Dan Ariely discusses his experience in the hospital and how the nurse handled his burns. I used to work in a burn ICU and performed debridements on burn You Got Alot Of That (Instrumental) - Ice Cube - You Got Alot Of That / Chrome And Paint, as they arrived at the unit.
After they were stabilized, I often asked patients what they remembered from being on fire, etc. Most of the respondents said they remembered the event vividly, but it felt like it was happening to someone else. For instance, they could recall screaming and thrashing about, or whatever, but it felt surreal and other worldly.
Around a quarter of folks even said they remembered watching the event happen from some other vantage point, like they were floating outside of their bodies. I can't vouch to the empiricism of these claims, only that I heard the same stories over and over. However, universally, the same folks said they remembered and felt every single dressing change and physical therapy session, and these were a bitch very painful.
As a disclaimer, these folks were on opiates shortly after their injuries; perhaps these changed their recollections of the events. Not sure why the later procedures didn't have the same protection. Overall, though, I tend to think that some process in the brain protects us from fully encoding these extreme exposures to pain in our long-term memory.
Pain isn't the only sensation of which we can't "remember" the feeling, all immediate sensory information is like that. We can cognitively remind ourselves what pain should feel like, or what red looks like, and what roses smell like as mental modelsbut we can't actually see, feel, or smell them as we do when we are actually experiencing them.
Neurophilosophers in this case Metzinger et. We don't end up storing the contents of our immediate perceptual memory it's too costlywhat we store mentally is the ability to recognize them.
For example, immediately after visual Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? input changes, say that you switched from viewing a red square to a blue square, the immediate color perception is now of blue, and you can only cognitively refer to the red square instead of attentionally referring to it in the "remembering" sense that prompted this.
You will never be able to close your eyes and "imagine" the red square the same way as you are currently viewing the blue one. Let's take it a step further with another experiement, let's say that while you were viewing the blue square, and while you were fixated on it, the red square was switched out for one of a very slightly different shade, and you were asked to look at the red square once more.
Given a small enough shift in color, no person would be able to discern the change. This has been experimentally verified by Diana Raffman, Love Is Danger (Radio Edit) - Linda Ross - Love Is Danger we do not possess the ability to discern subtle changes between two shades of a certain color.
When the two colors are placed Tatie - Les Ogres De Barback - Avril Et Vous by side, we are able to perceive with our visual sense that they're different, given that they're dissimilar enough for most human eyes to discern. When they are presented one after the other, it becomes an impossible ordeal and this is the most important point.
What this suggests is the original premise, that humans and other animals do not store the contents of immediate perceptual memory, or as Metzinger calls it, "transtemporal identity criteria". We don't store anything that would transcend the moment with immediate perception transtemporal.
We don't store the specific shade of red 99 or red 97 or red 52 cognitively, just like we don't store the actual "online" sensation of pain, but attentionally we can tell the difference between red 99 and red 97 when placed side by side. Forgive me, there's much left out of this explanation, but that's the gist of it in so many words. TL;DR; - We don't store our immediate perception as it's a costly operation, we cognitively categorize the contents of our perception probably in a state space and discard the "online" portion of our experience as soon as our attention changes.
To go a little further for those who have done data mining, this cognitive "recognition" happens mathematically in an n-dimensional state space philosophically: state space semanticswhere different experience produce different configurations of firing neurons, which an be clustered into convex shapes in this state space to delineate different types of experience. Similar configurations of neurons firing are posited to lead to similar experiences, while dissimilar configurations would lead Dirge (The Micronauts Mix) - Death In Vegas - Remixes different subjective experiences.
I can remember the pain of an headache. I can remember the pain of having your arm twisted even though it happened in training a few hours ago, however the pain has disappeared since it was only an elbow lock. I can remember the burn of the pan. I don't think i'm special, maybe it's just that most people forget those memories easily but to me it's just as any other sensations. You don't recall perfectly the taste of what you've eaten but you are still able to remember what it's remotely like.
Don't you recognize pain? I mean you know you're burned when you are, even though you can't actually see your hand burn. You Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember? your hand is frozen even though it's not blue yet.
This tree will most likely be deleted as it's anecdotal but I'm with you. I believe that I can very clearly remember what the sensation of pain feels like. I can't just cause myself to feel it on a whim, but I can't cause myself to feel itchy or cold by force of mind either, so I don't really see how that' relevant.
But I can very clearly imagine what any of those sensations feel like, including different types of pain stabbing, crushing, aching muscle. I find it strange that someone would make the claim that we can't. And I'm with you. It's no more difficult than remembering what it's like to feel warm or cold, or comfortable or uncomfortable. It's not a literal feeling of pain, but no memory is absolutely exact and true to life.
Regardless of the fact that it's an anecdote, I think it's very relevant in this case. If I can remember Life Is Pain - Putrid Fever - Do You Remember?
, then obviously it's not an impossibility. In this case, since OP is basically asking, "Is it possible for a person to do X? The fact that I can vividly remember how burning my thumb on the stove felt, and how it was different from getting a wasp sting, seems to at least show that this is possible. Some simple descriptions like "stinging," "throbbing," "dull ache," etc.
Again, I'm not re-experiencing it, but I can picture a much clearer recollection than. An expert may be able to discuss whether different people remember pain differently, but at least some people do remember pain with clarity.
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